well it works. I copied a custom gauge from one panel, swapped panels, pasted, saved and there it was, in the list to be modified and it worked i.e. moved. but it only works if the gauge is a full custom. found a few that were only pointers and dial was an image. I cannot think of how much work went in those panels. labor of love I guess. got another question, know of any way to get more sensors into aida64? for some reason it has dropped some of my fans. They used to be there. This is great having someone who know a lot about this very complex program who actually answers questions. If I may where are you located, I am in the very cold state of Vermont 19 F with snow have a great day and TIA